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On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 00:16, Bjorn Olsson wrote:

Steve,
  There's nothing wrong in "manufacturing" engineers. There's room for
everyone.
Those who can't think for themselves find themselves in the same place doing
the same thing for years. I worked for some big companies and I can tell you
that
these are the people who do the tedious and repetitive work of static timing
analysis,
gate level simulation, formal logic verification etc. These engineers never
developed
new ideas in their lives, never contributed to the growing intellectual
property of
the company. But still they are invaluable, because if they take a thinking
and creative
engineer to do those works they won't survive a single week.

  There might be a slow down in the electrical engineering the last three
years, but it won't
last forever, and the thinking engineer rather then the copying one is the
one who'll change it.

  Erez.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven R. McQueen" <srmcqueen@m...>
To: "Discussion list about free open source IP cores" <cores@o...>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [oc] Re: Value of a degree (rant warning)

> On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 00:16, Bjorn Olsson wrote:
> >
> > Yes, do that. And may I also add that I really would like
> > to congratulate the company that is going to hire you in
> > the future. You, sir Prashanth, is a definitely a role model.
> > If only engineers could be so thoughful and honest as you.
> >
> > (I assume you will tell your teacher that you solved the
> > problem by using code you found on www.opencores.org right?
> > You will of course not present it as your own solution and
> > that makes me glad. I mean, why invent the wheel twice, right?)
> >
> > It is a great idea to use other peoples work and present it to
> > people as your own. In school, getting your grades is all that
> > matters huh? Well, the only problem I see is that...
> >
> > eventually reality catches up!
> >
> > /Björn Olsson
> > /InformAsic AB
> >
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>
> Don't even get me started! Oops, too late, you did! I have spent
> the last 30 years doing as you seem to be suggesting, i.e. independent
> thought, thorough research, analyzing challenges, and debugging errors.
> In that time, I have seen well-respected schools churning out graduates
> that are incapable of finding a reference, unable to define a logic chain,
> and without clue as to how to diagnose or fix a logic error. What they
> can do is parrot back answers once you tell them what you want to hear,
> or ask for "direction" and "clarification" until all they have left to
> do is transcribe the code and compile it.
>
> For some strange reason, these talents are far more important now, at
> least to American companies, than any demonstrated ability to actually
> do independent work. Apparently, the ability to demonstrate your awareness
> of other peoples' work is of great value in today's job market.
>
> So, if Friend Prashanth and his ilk wish to copy my logic, who am I to
> stand in the way of the supply of plagiarists and yes-men who are the
> wave of the future in American industry?
>
> Steve McQueen
>
> P.S. - What's the market like in Europe? Anybody willing to pay for a
> competent designer?
>
>
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