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From: Erez Birenzwig <erez_birenzwig@y...>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:05:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [oc] OC free IP cores, % of useability?
I agree here. Having ads is a good idea.
Erez.
--- Shehryar Shaheen <shehryar.shaheen@u...> wrote:
> Yes, nothing wrong with having ads, its a good idea.
>
> Regards
>
> Shehryar
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Damjan Lampret" <lampret@o...>
> To: <cores@o...>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [oc] OC free IP cores, % of useability?
>
>
> > Hi Antti,
> >
> > this issue is being addressed. As cores will be rated, those with lower
> > rating will be moved "in the background". It is also expected that cores
> in
> > development are those that will not be rated high and therefore the system
> > will automatically rank cores if finished or in development, their quality
> > etc. Please have some patience, all work on opencores.org is being done
> w/o
> > any financial support. If you can donate $1M I'm sure we can have much
> > better web site in a week time, with better cores, commercial support,
> > commercial developer tools available to developers etc. But right now
> there
> > is no sponsors that would directly donate cash.
> >
> > So I ask everyone, right now, would you accept to have some commercial ads
> > on opencores.org web site? These ads would be small, a normal user
> browsing
> > the web site wouldn't notice them. All income from the ads would be spent
> > on:
> > - better opencores.org web site
> > - authors of quality cores would get some financial compensation
> > - get some decent commercial tools to developers (for example one thing
> I'm
> > thinking for a long time is to add a good linter tool to the cvs checkin -
> > when a developer commits his changes, the linter tool checks and reports
> > back to the developer if he is braking coding guidelines (reported back
> via
> > email); another thing is to set up simulators to do automatic regressions
> of
> > cores in the cvs and report back to develop if there are any problems)
> >
> > regards,
> > Damjan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <antti@c...>
> > To: <cores@o...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:37 PM
> > Subject: [oc] OC free IP cores, % of useability?
> >
> >
> > > now I am getting burning ashes onto my face ;)
> > >
> > > free is not allways free.
> > > if you have to spend time it find it for free, then you spent time
> > > searching.
> > > if you spent time trying to check it out you spent time.
> > > if you tested it and it doesnt work you wasted time
> > > many people do so, all of them waste time
> > >
> > > time is money.
> > >
> > > low quality cores being made public with no clear and proven
> > > useability report cost money. Money from those who would
> > > like to use them. Even though no money is paid, time is wasted.
> > > Time/Money gets wasted.
> > >
> > > Time is something I personally do value. I like to buy time,
> > > if I can give out some money to save my time I am happy.
> > >
> > > If donating some $ for the authors of the cores makes the
> > > cores better quality, or better documentation, or better
> > > compliance to different technologies and software, I may
> > > donate some of the limited financial resources I have.
> > >
> > > This makes sense. Makes for me. If others do the same
> > > then it may be enough for the core authors to improve
> > > the overall quality of their Cores.
> > >
> > > I have spent some time checking out the cores at OC.
> > > Actually I have spent several weeks checking them out.
> > > My results are not so positive - sorry to say.
> > >
> > > There are several cores that are professional.
> > >
> > > Hovewer a large amount of projects are half way done
> > > abondoned or not useable. Or no documentation or
> > > only useable with single technology or synthesis tool, etc...
> > >
> > > And it is not possible to know this until you try to use them.
> > >
> > > There are really very few projects that work 'out of box'
> > > this includes cores marked as 'done' and verified.
> > >
> > > That is everyone who uses cores from OC actually pays
> > > indirectly (or wastes time and money). This wasted
> > > time could be saved - it should be possible to adopt some
> > > 'schemes' that makes it possible to somehow compensate
> > > the time we win (by using better quality free cores) to those
> > > who spend their time (to the authors of the cores).
> > >
> > > as of today I would say the amount of *real* good quality cores
> > > at OC is below 5% (from all projects).
> > >
> > > Thats not a very high percent.
> > > But this is my judgement after weeks spent checking the free(!) cores.
> > >
> > > Antti
> > >
> > >
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