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From: Bernhard.Naegele@t... (Bernhard Naegele)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:37:34 +0100
Subject: Re: [openppc] PowerPC based Desktops
On Tuesday, 30. Oktober 2001 6:30 pm, you wrote:
I think, the biggest problem for the success of powerpc was that Microsoft
stopped the development on porting Windows for PowerPC some years ago.
I think this was the reason for the big success of X86 architecture - an
intuitive to use desktop operating system (sorry to all the MAC-OS users, but
the policity of Apple with their OS was not very helpful to the success of
PPC).
I think this could change with LINUX.
Another Note: Intels Xscale Arm is nice, but have you ever seen an Arm with
1GHz CPU speed? Think of IBMs 750FX (1GHz at 5,7W power consumption)
Best regards,
Bernhard
> On Monday 29 October 2001 04:03 pm, you wrote:
> > Obviously the PowerPC is doing well in servers
>
> Only IBM's Power4 is doing well. There is nothing important in the server
> market based on G3 or G4
>
> >and embedded applications like settop boxes.
>
> No set-top boxes are a flop. It's in the Communications area where they
> are doing OK, Not well but OK.
>
> > That said, has anyone on this list noticed an increased willingness on
> > the parts of the PowerPC players, IBM and Motorola, to produce the SoCs
>
> Not really. They major exception that comes to mind though is IBM's
> derivative for the Nintendo GameCube. There is rumours that they will make
> the chip available to other large players.
>
> >discretes that system builders need to compete with Intel on the desktop?
>
> They have given up on the desktop.
>
> Intel is positioning the Xscale Arm based processor as the Processor of
> choice for lowpower requirements. They are prices lower than PowerPC and
> you can buy them in smaller quantities. Intel and TI understands that to
> develope a new market its not smart to gouge the innovative smaller
> companies. Moto haven't got a clue. As long as Galvin runs the show they
> will continue to deteriorate.
>
> > Is the lack of applications that will run on a PowerPC platform an issue
>
> that is preventing PowerPC on the desktop from becoming reality?
>
> No not yet, but soon due to lack of mindshare, and developers more
> interested in ARM.
>
> > Obviously there is the price issue. Volume issues aside, is there a
>
> fundamental reason that a desktop Soc with a PowerPC core has to be more
> expensive than such a Soc with a Pentium core?
>
> No its a smaller core so it should be cheaper. The volume / police is what
> drives this.
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